Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Michael Rosenthal

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep at best for now as this AfD is not going to get any better likely and I would've likely voted Keep myself if it was best. At best, this could be improved if needed and nominated later of course if needed (NAC). SwisterTwister talk 22:45, 29 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Michael Rosenthal

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Not individually notable. Philafrenzy (talk) 13:20, 14 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep:

a) All Olympic sports at WP:NSPORT indicate that all athletes at the world championships are notable. As aquatics doesn't have notabiility guideliness, but the fact that aquatics sports are one of the main sports in the world and part and having one of the biggest world championships, this would account also for water polo.

b) Found several secondary sources and added a few of them to the article.

c) One of the prominent players for the national team, scoring on average 2 goals per match.

Sander.v.Ginkel ^(Talk) 14:41, 14 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comment He wasn't in an Olympic team. He was in a team in a different championship that finished 9th. I don't understand why you feel the Olympics are relevant? Philafrenzy (talk) 15:47, 14 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Reply Olympic sports are worldwide high class sports and have so a certain standard of notability. I want to make the distinction from other team sports that are much less notable like korfball, netball, rollball etc. Sander.v.Ginkel ^(Talk) 20:45, 14 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

That might make his team notable, but doesn't seem to help him. He apparently appeared once in a championship team that came ninth. Philafrenzy (talk) 20:47, 14 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

With my point a) I mean being part of the USA national team together with competing at the world championships is notbale. It's imposible for a nobody to do that. So it is with all the major sports. Breanne Nalder is notable for competing at the 2015 UCI Road World Championships – Women's team time trial and finished last, John Chifuniro finished last in the qualification round of the 2015 World Archery Championships – Men's Individual Recurve. I can give you 100s of more examples. Sander.v.Ginkel ^(Talk) 21:03, 14 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

And also, being 9th of the world in a major sport sounds notable to me... Besides of that, the article only mentions 1 championship. But he has competed in many more matches for the national team. Just a question, where did you find he didn't compete at other championships? Sander.v.Ginkel ^(Talk) 21:08, 14 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Philafrenzy, to show that you're not a nobody when you're invited for the national team I did some research. See the expanded article. Did you actually Google him before nominating? He became many time national champion with his club, he is an outstanding players of the team and received several awards. And to come back to the national team, he also played with the national team in the super final of the 2013 FINA Men's Water Polo World League. I didn't look further, but probably there will be much more notable facts to tell about him. Sander.v.Ginkel ^(Talk) 21:51, 14 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

By all means put it all in then before people vote. Philafrenzy (talk) 22:03, 14 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. /wiae /tlk 21:31, 14 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. /wiae /tlk 21:31, 14 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 00:35, 22 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per WP:NSPORT, but does need cleanup. Dschslava (talk) 17:56, 22 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.